Dive into the world of making dreams a reality and being in business for yoursel, with my sister GB and me in this candid and heartfelt episode. We unpack the exhilarating freedoms and daunting hurdles of being your own boss, from the rush of independent decision-making to the constant balancing act of creativity and practicality. Through personal anecdotes, we reveal how overcoming business obstacles has been a catalyst for our personal growth and confidence.
Discover how entrepreneurship can transform your life, particularly during significant transitions, as we share our experiences of igniting creativity and determination through our own ventures. But it's not all easy; we also delve into the tough realities of entrepreneurship, from juggling responsibilities to confronting uncertainty directly. Balancing the demands of business while staying true to your creative vision demands continual adaptation and resilience.
Throughout our conversation, we emphasise the crucial role of mindset in overcoming setbacks and self-doubt. Discover how we've turned challenges into opportunities for growth and learned to trust our abilities, even in the face of uncertainty. Drawing from our experiences, we offer practical advice on effective time management and embracing progress over perfection.
Join us as we peel back the layers of being in business for yourself, offering candid insights and practical wisdom to listeners. It's a raw and unfiltered exploration of what it truly means to pursue your dreams and take control of your destiny in the business world. Tune in and let's make those dreams a reality together.
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Dive into the world of making dreams a reality and being in business for yoursel, with my sister GB and me in this candid and heartfelt episode. We unpack the exhilarating freedoms and daunting hurdles of being your own boss, from the rush of independent decision-making to the constant balancing act of creativity and practicality. Through personal anecdotes, we reveal how overcoming business obstacles has been a catalyst for our personal growth and confidence.
Discover how entrepreneurship can transform your life, particularly during significant transitions, as we share our experiences of igniting creativity and determination through our own ventures. But it's not all easy; we also delve into the tough realities of entrepreneurship, from juggling responsibilities to confronting uncertainty directly. Balancing the demands of business while staying true to your creative vision demands continual adaptation and resilience.
Throughout our conversation, we emphasise the crucial role of mindset in overcoming setbacks and self-doubt. Discover how we've turned challenges into opportunities for growth and learned to trust our abilities, even in the face of uncertainty. Drawing from our experiences, we offer practical advice on effective time management and embracing progress over perfection.
Join us as we peel back the layers of being in business for yourself, offering candid insights and practical wisdom to listeners. It's a raw and unfiltered exploration of what it truly means to pursue your dreams and take control of your destiny in the business world. Tune in and let's make those dreams a reality together.
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Hello everybody. Welcome back to the dream maker podcast. It's Clary here with my sister Jen. Jen. Hi, Jen. Hello. How you doing? I'm pretty good. I'm pretty good. I'm a little bit Sleep deprived, but I'm very excited to be back. It feels like ages since I've been on here. It's so long I couldn't even tell you go back. I'm looking there something of last year. Actually, I was looking at the podcast stats the other day and one of the biggest most popular podcast or episodes on the podcast is you and me when we're talking about only courage can contend with the unknown. Oh yeah, that was a goodie. Remember that? Yeah. So go back and listen to that episode. That was a banger. A lot's happened since then. We are not the same people. No, we are not. We are not the same people since then. So before we jump in, I mean we're in just paint a little picture of where we are right now. What's happening? Not me. We are sitting on my couch in my house, which is my sister's house, but my house. And we do have a few animals around us, so I am looking after a few cats at the moment. So if you hear them go a bit. Bonkers. Apologies. But yeah, we're sitting here having a cup of tea and I've just got back from an appointment and we're gonna have a chat and Claire has not told me what we're chatting about. I'm a little nervous. You know me, I just like to wing things. I do have an idea that came to me last night when I went to bed. I'm actually staying down at Jen's house. I stayed down at Jen's house last night. Because we carved out a little bit of time on our calendar today to work on a, I want to say a new project and or a project that has been brewing away in the background for probably about six years now. Do you think? It feels like that. Yeah. But a bit like How we made our cards a reality. We just decided to do what we know how to do best. Carve out time, show up, see what we create in that little window of time. And then choof off, in our merry little way. I just thought before we maybe also give everyone a little bit of an update about where you're at right now because you, I think you are days away from wrapping up business mode for some period of time. Yeah, so I don't know when we last, I know we were saying before, I don't know when I last was on the podcast, but I don't even know if on the podcast last I was pregnant. Nah, mate. I don't think you were. Which is a long, that's frightening because I'm due in about a month to have a baby, which I'm I have so many feels about mostly excitement and yeah, this is my, I'm really excited. I'm giving myself mat leave. It started two weeks ago in terms of I stopped muraling cause I just couldn't keep climbing up and down ladders and with a belly and all the things was a bit tricky. But so that's all finished and I'm excited now that I have maybe two more days, three more days of some like admin things. And then I'm wrapping up to go full into relax. I mode in preparation for. this baby arriving, which is very exciting. It's very exciting and terrifying. And I was saying yesterday when we had Dream Makers. Dream Makers Dream Stream. Oh, sorry. Dream Stream. Pregnancy brain's a thing. Dream Stream that I, the terror that I feel in the stopping, it's not about the terror about having the baby. I'm like scared about. my business going to sleep for a while. Yeah. That sounds really grim about my business having a break for a while because that's been my baby for the last five to seven years and I feel like I got it into a place where it's like up and running and bloody kicking gold. Such beautiful momentum yeah has been created. And I feel like I'm like pumping the brakes and I'm nervous about what that means for my business about how I'm going to change. And. What direction I'm going to go in. And I'm also excited. Like I do love change and I feel like I roll with it mostly. So I'm excited to see where it goes, but it feels, I feel a little bit sad about the unknown of gen and tonic. So I'm sure like, it's not gen and tonic isn't going anywhere, but what gen and tonic looks like. might change. Who are you needing to prove this to here? Definitely myself. I feel like I was listening to something the other day. A podcast, I think it was a Matt Steinway podcast. I think it was talking about what is an entrepreneur anyway? What is it even anyway? He doesn't even identify himself as an entrepreneur, but I think that it is in your blood Jen, as it is in mine. To be the creators of our life. And so I think that even though this particular chapter, it's like, we're going to turn the page over from a chapter and open up a fresh chapter in your book. But I don't think you will any less be the driver and creator or co creator of your life. Oh no. I'm not worried about handing that over. It's. I feel like I, I imagine it's a little bit like when you get to the point where you send your kids to school and it's like a big chapters ended and then they go off and transition into this next chapter of being. I'm like with my business at least, I'm like, Oh, what's this going to look like and feel like? And I still know that I get to choose in any moment. I get to choose what my business looks like and feels like. And that I can take action on anything that I want to or not. But yeah, I'm just sitting in this uncomfortable space of the unknown. And usually when that happens for me, I like to get into action, but I'm having to do the opposite of that. And instead of getting into action is quite literally stopping. The action is practicing the rest because the thing that is most important right now is preparing your body to give birth. Yeah, absolutely. And to be a mum. So I think, yeah, it is just action, but in a different way. The topic that I wanted to talk about that I thought about literally as I was getting into bed last night is let's just have a a little sister riff on the Best and the worst things about being in business for yourself. Oh, that's a good topic. And I think part of, what you're already naturally going into is there's still a lot of freedom of choice for you. Yes, you are actively choosing to pump the brakes, as you said, on business because this next little project is requiring some attention. Yeah. But I also feel like whilst you'll be out of say consistent action taking mode in your business, you are, you're never going to stop thinking about it. In my experience, when I had children. It was like, I hadn't even started entrepreneurship, being in business myself, whatever the hell you want to call it. I, by the time I had my second child, I knew I was like, I'd opened the door, I'd opened the portal to, I now know, because I'd lost my job just before I had Eddie. Not because I did anything wrong, but because I was having a baby in a nutshell. But I knew in that moment in time, oh, this is my chance. This is my opportunity to get started. I am so excited for you because You have years up your sleeve of doing the courageous thing in business as a creative, as an entrepreneur. And now the baby's coming in. Your baby is coming into the world and you'll be in that vortex of time of caring for the baby and breastfeeding and up all night or whatever it looks, it ends up looking like for you. But my memory of that time when I had Ed was like, I was just like, like the minute he was out, I was like, boom, Ed, all right, what's next? And it was actually in reality, probably two years before I fully stepped into what I wanted to be doing or iterating my way into it. But I had so much ideation flooding through me throughout all of that time. So I feel like there's a possibility that's going to be happen happening for you because that ideation of being a creative, I don't think once you open up the, I keep saying portal, but you know what I'm saying, when you open up the portal or the path to creativity and decide that you are a creative and realize that you're in that Create a, decide a role of your business of your life. It's all interconnected. That's not ending just because you're closing the chapter a little bit on action taking in your business. And you're going to be focusing on being a mama. Yeah. Oh, definitely. And I was thinking about this the other day in terms of had I been where I am, like in terms of like about to have a baby, say four years ago, if I hadn't been able to. Four years ago, I couldn't even call myself an artist, can you imagine if at that point of me? Was that only four years ago? Because I very specifically remember being on the Zoom. Was it COVID y times? Because we were meant to be doing sisterhood or up level, whatever I was calling it then, and we were all on Zooms and I remember seeing you, you having this whole meltdown about calling yourself an artist. Yeah, it was only like four years ago. Wow. Maybe COVID y. May be four and a half, five, but at the very least four and I was thinking, God, thank God I've got all this stuff under my sleeve and proof for myself that I am an artist that my business is successful. Like I did my tax yesterday and realized that I've had almost two full years. I thought I'd only had one year of making a hundred K I've had two of almost that. And I think, Oh. I don't know I can do this. I've got that level of confidence behind me. But had I been doing, had I become pregnant years ago, I don't think gen and tonic would have probably continued. I think I would have had enough excuses to talk myself out of it. Not that it wouldn't have continued, but I think it would have taken me a lot longer to get to where I am now and now, even though I've just voiced that I'm nervous about stopping, the nerves about stopping and not because, I don't think I'm capable of doing it afterwards. It's more Oh, what if I changed my mind about how I want to do things? Like it's more about like the direction in which it's going to go rather than will this business live after this break? For sure. For sure. That makes sense. Absolutely. It's the unknown. And what was that card we pulled in dream stream? It was the one that was from that blackboard from my house, like where nothing is certain. Anything is possible. Anything is possible. I feel that in the cells of my body. Oh my God. Sorry. We have wild cat number one. Jen has a beast of a cat called Sully. It's three times bigger than any cat I've ever seen. Sorry guys. Yeah, that when nothing is certain, anything is possible. That has saved me a million times over. And then the second part of that line is enjoy the beauty of becoming. Why do you find that funny? No, I'm still laughing at the cat. No, and that's the thing. That's part of it. Like that whole idea of playing the game with the unknown. Running it, if we're talking about what it's like, the highs and lows of running a business, That for me is equal high and equal low. Yeah. Is the playing with the unknown. It, I think. Podcast done. That is the actual God's honest truth. The worst thing about being in business is the fucking unknown. And the best thing about it is the unknown. And the most exciting thing about business is this sense of possibility that you get when you step into the unknown. Yeah. A hundred percent. Oh my God. We just let ourselves into that and we're done. So I think that there's part of like I hear what you're saying in terms of you're excited to see what happens for me in this time after I've had this baby of what ideas I come up with and where I start to let things flow And I've never really been in a position to like, let go of the reins enough to allow that to happen. There's always been, I've been in a creative mode, but it's never been a relaxing creative mode. It's always been like with tension or with this has to work or not always But look, as a large part of when you are, Also needing to provide for yourself and or now your family or in me in my situation being the provider Yeah, that about that balancing act between being a creative and actually this kind of does have to work yeah, and then I think that there is a level of Or it feels when I say the level of responsibility I quite like that feeling of being a responsible person, but when it comes to being responsible for myself and my business, it feels heavier than what is potentially about to happen. I like the idea of, Oh, I'm going to have this time to ideate things. And I can choose whether I want to take action on them or not. But I feel like never have I been in a position where I've had the time to and. have committed to just letting it go for a bit and saying, it's, yeah, it's a little bit like, I know I said it's maybe sending your kid off to school, but I imagine it's like sending someone off into an adventure and like seeing how they evolve and then coming back. It's I feel like I'm sending my business off into the unknown and then seeing how it looks when it comes back. Have you considered having any kind of conversations with your business? Might sound a bit crazy now, but we talked a little bit. this. I'm sure whether it was in Dreamstream, High Rollers last year, but your business having kind of its own identity and its own energy and its own being. And it's, I like to think about my business is I understand that I am my business, but I also feel like my business has an identity of its own. It's coming from my heart and my heart's desires, but it's also, wants to be something like it wants to be something. And we've often talked in the past around our job is to get clear about our vision and hold the vision for our business. And that in the times where we feel like we're in a dip or in a container of time, which is challenging or like this you're just creating a container of time where you're holding a boundary around doing business differently. It's then the business and the vision can come in and hold you in a sense. Yeah. Yeah. So you could just use some of this time to be like, Oh, I'm doing that right now. I feel like this year has been, I declared it at the beginning of the year. Remember it's the year of recreation. I've done years of successfully running my business in a particular way and now I'm ready to do a different, and so that's required me to let go of the way I was doing things and be in a lot of Yes, courageous decision making and forward action. Sully, you are going to annoy me so much. The cat's decided now is the time to munch and crunch on the kitty food. I get so easily distracted. It's okay. It's funny you say that because one of the things, as you're saying that I've started thinking about is, Because I keep using that, I've used it twice now talking about this child or this baby, business baby going off to school. I'm like, you know how they say when you start a business that you, it takes the first five years for it to develop and become successful? successful moneymaking, there are businesses who just take off overnight and I think that's incredible, but also I think people have trouble maintaining that momentum. But anyway, for the most part, every business book I've ever read, they talk on average, it takes about five years to get it into a place of it's starting to roll smoothly and work the, all the cogs are turning and everything's starting to work together. And then it does it like it moves into this next. It is. It's like a child growing into its next phase. And then when that grows and then they, so it's going through all these different levels and steps and Much like with a baby, you have to not let them go, obviously you're still there to look after them. But having, being able to step back enough to go, Oh, what kind of personality does my business want to have now feels exciting because I'm like, Oh, I already have known maybe for the last year or so that I know there's a direction in my business that I want it to go. I can't control everything, but I can help take steps to foster it in that direction, but much like a child or a baby, it's also going to do what it's going to do. And so letting that go and trusting that it's going to grow in a way that I would, I love it too is it feels very exciting and terrifying. Cause again, it's that whole, like having control or not having control over it, which. Oh, it feels uncomfortable because up until this point, much like a baby, you like are looking over its shoulder and you're like wanting to take care, like you're doing all the things, your feet you're the sole person keeping this thing alive and they grow legs and they get bigger and they've always had legs hopefully. But the business, for example, grows business legs and goes, sorry, I'm big on your couch. You know what I'm saying? That they stay, they grow and they're able to start running around. And then, I'm excited. Cause I feel like my business is now like in a stage where it's going to take off. But in what direction? I have no fucking idea. With those little stubby legs that it's just grown. Nah, it's cool. I'm sorry. I am really excited for you. And I don't even know if that made sense. Yeah, it totally made sense. And I it made sense to me. And I think I was trying to distract you from the crunching of the cat food. Oh my God. I so easily distracted. But, I also, I'm, the other thing, this is just random, but I'm just excited to see how life is going to be different when you do have a baby as well. And also then I get to come and take care of this baby and then hand it back and go hang out with my kids and stuff. And this has got nothing to do with business at all, but I'm very much looking forward to being auntie to this little nugget with legs. Yeah, it is exciting. And I think cause for so long. I don't know if you ever believed it would, or you were actually, from the start, you always had a little bit more belief in the whole baby thing for me. But because of my endo, I was just convinced I was like, it's not happening. Oh yeah. I always just held that vision for you as your bigger sister and, or just not being in the depths of that unknown with you. I was just like I'm just going to hold it. This is here and available for you. Little did I know it was going to be like, Bing, bang, bong bang, bong. Make Tommy. Wham, bam. Thank you, ma'am. He getting engaged and having a baby. It's pretty wild. Like when I'm due there's a possibility that this baby will have been born and we won't have even been together a year. That's so amazing. Is it? Yeah, it is. It is. It's amazing because I think it feels like evidence of. alignment, evidence of things coming together smoothly after a lot of turmoil. Yeah. So let's keep bringing it back on track to like the best and the worst, the best and the worst parts of being in business. I think we obviously nailed it right up the front in terms of the unknown and the unknown in terms of excitement. That's one of the things I love the most. What else is, if I just said to you, just tell me three things that feel like boom, it's the best thing about being in business. Oh, I think I've said this before on a podcast and it might seem so trivial, but not having to call in sick to work, like actually having autonomy over what it is I want to do each day. Yeah. Is equally the best and the worst thing. So it's the, I think everything that is going to be the best thing on this list will also be the worst for different reasons. So I love that I get to control what I do each day. Yeah. But then that comes with. Oh, I've got to do this thing each day and there's no one paying me. If I don't get this done, it's not, I'm not getting paid. Yes. And because you don't get paid, like if you show up to work, for example I have worked in lots of different office jobs before. And if you don't feel like really being productive that day, you still get paid. You just roll in, you sit at your desk and you still get paid. And unless you're very high up. That's okay. The business is still just going to keep functioning. But I really, I had to learn very early on. Cause at first I was like, Oh, I'm like, I'd like to make some more money. But I'm really sorry. We're going to start laughing again because of the cat situation. I did warn you before this podcast started and you're like, it's fine. We'll roll with it. I'm like, okay. They cheat cheesing. They're choosing this moment. Maybe there's an energy that comes with us to having this conversation, but they're like roaming around and like chasing each other. Anyway, get back on the conversation. So I think there is that element of responsibility again. And that word I being responsible is or feeling responsible is actually one of my values, core values when I did that course with Elle. And I realized that I actually really take pride in feeling like a responsible person. And then I also sit with that and I think, Oh, but in my business, I don't want to be a boss today. I just want to like someone to, I just want to go, sometimes I'm like, I just want to go to an office and sit at a desk and tell someone, tell me what to do and I do it and then I go home and then it's done. Like I think that sitting down at your desk each day and I, to be fair, I don't really sit at a desk each day. A lot of my days vary but I, on the days when I am adminning, for example, and it's and tax is a really good example of this. It actually wasn't very hard for me to just do my tax return. I've been putting that off for 18 months. And so I avoid things and avoid things. And inevitably it just makes it harder for myself in the long run. But you've really got to, it took me years to think, I actually need to dedicate this as a work day. You can pick your time of day, but I can say, Oh, I'm going to wake up at nine and start work at 10 30. Cause that works for me. And then I'm going to finish work at three. And so you only have like short days, but you really have to, okay. But if that's what I'm doing, I need to commit to it. Yeah. And it's been really interesting because In this house, like I don't have a door where to block off like a work space So if I'm doing work and Tommy's on his day off, for example He'll come in constantly and just be like, hey, like, how you going? Or what are you doing? And I'm like Go away. I love you. Go away. I need to get this done. And it really, we had to have a couple of conversations where I was like, I know it might appear like things I've got a pretty cruisy life and business, but like I've mentally prepped myself that today I have to do work. So I need to just in work mode and need to be in work mode. And it took a few years to get comfortable with I'm a work mode now or I'm not. And I know we've talked about this before, but my number one hack that I figured out for myself is if I'm working to actually get out of comfy clothes and get into if I were going to a job, I don't get into corporate clothes by any means, I put shoes on. Yes. Because it tricks my brain into thinking, oh, we're doing a job. Yeah. So I'll quite often, for example, I could work in my pajamas all day and be in comfy clothes. I can tell you right now, if I were in my pajamas and I didn't get up and shower and get dressed and get ready for my work day. Yeah. Yeah. Fuck all would get done. Yeah. Wow. Like nothing would get done. And I would be like, Oh, I'm just so comfy and crazy. Like I'll just work from the couch. And the second I start working from the couch, game over, like it's just not happening in my life. Work from the couch. I don't anymore, but I used to even work and I'd have TV on in the background. Sorry, we're sitting on the couch right now. FYI, but I just mean like, when I'm like trying to get done in that kind of mode. Yeah. But also I think with that. And it's that idea of having to manage your time. Yes. I think I had to learn. I'm in fact, I'm still learning, but I, for the most part, I had to learn the hard way that I make things appear so much bigger and harder than they actually are. So I put them off for longer. And then I realized when I sit down to do them, Jen, you could have done this weeks ago and it could have taken you a third of the amount of time without the fucking turmoil that you just put yourself through about having to start it because you're pushing yourself too late. I find that most of the people I mentor and myself included, most of the energy is drained up in just not doing the thing because we think it's way bigger than We like what it actually is. Yeah, and a little tip for that is like whatever Essential goals you've got and projects and things that you want to make progress on Write them out in the next most effortless step, but then actually write I think I could do that in 20 minutes. I think I could do that in 45 I think I could do that in an hour and if it's something that feels like big and monstrous and it is probably you know There's maybe six hours of work there then just give it a 45 minute chunk of time to go for it. Yeah 100 percent and I think that I did that this week with my taps because I realized that I was like I'd allowed myself the rest of the week to do it and I broke it down into all the steps that I had and I realized oh you know if you just sat here for a 45 minute block and see how much you can get done you probably get quite far into it and then I did another 45 and I was done but I had given myself the whole week and it's a little bit of a catch because I like not having the pressure sometimes of Oh, I have 7 million things to do in one day. So I really, from your mentoring through sisterhood and uplevel and high rollers, the top three things in a day was, has been a massive game changer, but I really had to get comfortable with that because I really like feeling productive, but, I also had to juggle am I feeling productive or do I feel like completely scattered because I'm trying seven million things to get done today? But yeah, I don't know if that answers that. Yeah, definitely. And I've got something I want to say to it actually, when you were painting that picture of you being in your workspace with your open door and Tommy popping in is what popped into my mind then was, One of the best things about working for yourself most of the time is that you're in your own little container, and you get to create these containers of time for work. That is definitely something that I would say for me, that is a strength. Like I'm really clear on the days in which I work. I'm really clear on the containers of time in which I work. And I don't really tend to have a problem of not doing that. Doing work in the containers of time. It's just I've been doing it for so long. It's the, if I don't do it, I'm going to feel shit. Yeah. It's going to feel like a misalignment to myself or my vision of my goals. So just do it. I don't, I, my problem, I would say one of my challenges in there when we're thinking best and worst is I don't always get all of the things I thought I might get done in that container of time. So I feel the discomfort of that, but then I'm really good at Shit, does that keep recording? Yep. Sorry, I had a phone call coming in. I, what was I saying? Containers of time, I don't always get it all, always all done and that feels uncomfortable, but then I have this really good practice of trusting. I trust in myself and I trust in the timing of my life and I trust in the process that I get done because I am committed and I don't have a question around that. I have this identity of being committed in that container of time and I'm aligned with it, I'm human. I'll do what I can in the time. And then I hand it over and I trust that momentum is building regardless because I'm continuing putting action towards the thing that's important. But I wanted to say something about it before is I think an amazing thing is you get to manage your own time, which is so cool. And you get to be working in your own space. And you can imagine if you're working in an office and, or you have a corporate role. I reckon 60, 70 percent of the time someone's knock knock. Just a quick chat, just a quick check in and whether it's business related or not business related, there's just interruption after interruption. So one of the best things is even if it's a 45 minute window of getting into. The stream or into the flow, into the zone, whatever you want to call it. It's boom, you can do that. You can turn off all distractions, turn off your phone and create a container of time and go for it. Unless you, yeah, like you said, have a Tommy or someone probably, but that's a small amount of time. But even now though, like I've come up with things that like, he now knows I'll just be like, Hey, I'm putting my headphones in for 45 minutes unless the house is on fire. Yeah. Pretend I'm not here. Yeah. And he's yeah, sweet. Yeah. But before I think there's, it was such an unknown for him. He's never seen anyone work. Imagine people started doing that though in their corporate jobs. They're like, I'm in a container of time. Do not knock on my door. Do not. Oh, this is why I need to go into corporate and do dream teamwork. But imagine people did that. And what I wanted to share around this is I reckon that You could, as an entrepreneur, as a businesswoman, as someone in corporate, if you do three 45 minute containers of work every day, so much more done than anyone who was working an eight hour day job. That will blow people's minds because about 45 minutes, three of them, not a chance. You will be surprised how much you can do in 45 minutes. I am like a fucking ninja in a 45 minute window. But to be fair, we also have the motivation of, if we can do three 45 minute blocks and then be like, I'll just go for a beach walk. You don't have that motivation in an office. So it's a bit tricky to be like, you have to still be there till five or whatever time, shitty time you've got to be in your workspace. But We do have to get way more satisfaction though, because the thing about, in, in your job is you, regardless of what it is. Maybe I don't know if everyone is like this, but I know that you and I both operate this way. There's a really good sense of fulfillment, alignment, satisfaction, joy that comes from progress, from doing the thing you say you're going to do from moving a project forward, all that kind of stuff. I imagine that also occurs with your working for yourself or working for someone else. Yeah. But yeah, I, shout out to the 45 minute containers of time. They're pretty magic and they're way easier than you think. Why? That's literally how, and you know what, that's how I'm writing my book and I go away and create the space and I'm like, Jen, I'll just do, I'll just do a 45 and how often do I'm like press it and I'll just go again. I'll just go again. Cause I get into a flow and that is it's such a beautiful example of being in the flow. And I was listening to something the other day around. Oh, our hearts, desires, our dream, our vision. We are the only one who can do the work to bring it into reality. And we spend so much time questioning whether it's a real thing, whether we should be doing it. But I reckon every time you have a moment of being in the flow. Is evidence. It's here is the, if you are so excited that you want to hit go on the 45 again, then that's a good sign that isn't meant to be doing. Exactly. So I just wanted to just share, in the best and worst. reflection to what you were saying, one of my most, most favorite things is being the decider of my time, being the person who gets to be the custodian of my time. And I find that's almost exciting and more exciting. Like the more I learn about. Being the custodian of my time and my energy, I get even more excited about it. Don't massively know if there's a downside of that for me. I would say, but the hardest thing for me is just, it's still about responsibility is being like the sole responsible person for bringing an idea. into reality, which again, I think is a strong point for me. It's more around having this energy of does have to work. I've got kids to provide for. And I have always respected Seth Godin and his take on being a creative is you've got to be willing to create and do meaningful work in the world. And it might work and it might not work. Like you can only be on the precipice, on the edge of the unknown. Yeah. If to truly be creating, and I believe that to my core. And so that's fucking uncomfortable. That's uncomfortable place to create and live as a single mom, also providing for her children. A hundred percent. And I think one of the things that's just coming to me now, which I think is why I sometimes struggle with the idea of my admin days is because to me it feels for me to make money, I need to be in painting days. I need to be painting the murals because the murals is what gets me the biggest amount of money. And they're the biggest bang for buck. And so even though to get to those murals, I have to do the work, the admin work in the lead up to it, it still feels like free time that I'm like like I, I, I get paid for mock ups, but. Mock ups is such a small part of running a business. I think that's the thing is that I have had to really reframe that actually the reason I get paid so much for mural work is not because of the five days it takes me to paint the murals, it's because of all the work that I've done. So it's almost like back paying myself when I do the painting, but it's I'm constantly striving to get to that painting week rather than being in the admin week or the month, admin month. And it really, for a really long time felt like, oh, I don't have to, that can wait. It's fine. Whether it's, I'm responding to emails or doing tax or getting my social media up and running or doing mail outs, that sort of thing. I really had to learn to be a lot more strategic in terms of like understanding that all of those steps are what are going to get me the painting days as well. So getting comfortable with that is another part of it as well. It's reminding me of that. Like for years, we've always talked about doing the thing that feels good to do and I know that we reframed it and really stepped into it in another way in the last couple of years is actually do the thing that feels good to get done. Yes. And I think that many people can get trapped into just doing the thing that feels good, but there are let's be real about the fact, the beast of a business. There are many elements to it. A, that everybody is just figuring out and learning along the way. But those elements. at some point in time, all require some energy and attention. The more that you just, as you learn along the way, are willing to give attention and energy to the things that are going to support you and give you a solid foundation and help you to grow. And then it means you can have more of those moments where you're doing the glory work, the stuff that you're here to do in the world. Yes, there's a whole argument for who can help you do it and outsourcing and building a team and we've talked about that so many times before but I still think there's a value in kind of knowing each of the parts of your business as they appear as they like, oh, I see this needs attention now and Yeah, I feel You know, in this year of recreation for me I'm doing a lot of things that I used to outsource to other people because my business just kept growing and growing at such a rapid pace. And I was like I'll just do the thing that I'm really good at and I'll get everybody else to do the other stuff, which was great for a while, but also not sustainable in the sense that there were many things that I didn't actually know. how to do or how they were working. And I was going to ask you about that. Like how do you feel that since taking back some ownership over those things? The podcast is a perfect example. I used to pay a large amount of money for something that I'm now doing for myself that I actually love to do. And what I'll tell you is that I have way more connection to my creation. I am in, this is all me, it's all my energy. I'm excited about it. I figured out, I had to figure out some tech, like what in the heck? I am certainly upgrading my tech capacity this year, but I really am enjoying getting to do the things that need to be done and building this really new and different, But solid foundation and because often I'd find is like I'd record a podcast and then I'd send it out and then by the time it came out into the world, I fucking moved on to seven different other things. So I didn't have a connection to it, let alone, all of the other things, the bits and pieces that I was told needed to be part of the podcast versus. I record a podcast, chuck some faded music, beginning and end, and upload it. I do a little bit of editing, but really, and I And it'll land with the right people and Yeah. Oh yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. But no, I'm really enjoying that process, but I think for everybody and everybody's dream is a bit different and business model is a bit different and I'm definitely, I am an advocate for, who can help you do the things for sure. But just, yeah, getting, being aware of all, I think, we were talking about the best and the worst things. So one of the worst things is there's lots of elements in your business that are not your jam. Oh, there's so many things, but they're part of the ingredients and make up the jam. A hundred percent. Yeah. I don't know if that makes sense, but I think you know, I understand exactly what you mean. And I think that's what a lot of people puts a lot of people off or that's their roadblocks. And you have to get comfortable with. parts. Like it's like an unconditional love for your business, right? You can't just love bits and pieces and not the rest. You've got to if it has a personality and it has a heartbeat you've got to love all of its parts. So this is a good question for anybody who's listening is just take a moment and take a breath and you'll know, you will know intuitively in your body, in your heart, what parts of your business are crying out for some attention. Yeah. Oh, poor parts. And also like you can, It doesn't take long to turn that around. Yeah. I just think bit by bit gives something good tension. Yeah. Like I, I think that's, this is another thing that I want to say in terms of one of the best things I often find like when I'm mentoring calls and stuff like that there's always this kind of amazement of what do you mean? You just get to make up the next move. I'm like, you just get to make up the next move. Yeah. That is one of my most favorite things. I get to choose. I get to choose. I'm the decider here. This is my vision. This is my project. I might not nail it to perfection, but I'm going to give it a red hot go. And I know I'm going to iterate along the way and I know I'll refine and I'll know I'll get better. And I'll know that I'll let go of the things that don't work or don't feel aligned. And I just. Get to make up the next thing. So my question is, what about those people who use that though, as an excuse to be like, Oh, that didn't work out or that was too hard. I'm not doing that again. Or it failed the first time. So I'm not gonna, I think that there's, this is part of it. This is the best and the worst, the best, you get to be the decider and you get to choose. But also when things get tough, you actively have to choose to keep going. What, 100%? Yeah, and that's where this vision, the book I'm writing is Let Your Vision Be Bigger Than Your Bullshit. And the nutshell of that is If it doesn't, isn't abundantly clear, is that it is your job as the custodian of this business, the identity of this business is to help it form its identity, get really clear about, this business, how it's going to feel and what matters most and what is essential and what is the vision for this business and your job is to Clarify the vision and clarify the vision and clarify the vision. So it's so clear and so strong and so fortified that it literally pulls you forward. So when you create the first iteration of something, that doesn't land the way you thought it was going to in your dreams. That's cool. Let's do it a different way. Yeah. It's just, I just need to pivot or shift or recreate or try again. And because the vision is calling you forward. The vision is pulling you forward. So I think there's that part of it. And. the best and the worst part of being in business for yourself is you get to move towards this amazing vision that you hold for yourself and you have the freedom and the joy to create freedom and fucking joy in your life. But you are also the only person has to show up every single day. And sometimes every single moment of every single day. Up against your fears, up against your bullshit, up against all the stories that are running through your mind and the cells of your body and around you with other people's opinions and expectations around what if it doesn't work, it might not be possible, maybe it works for everybody else but you, there's just, it's, the fact is, the truth is you are dancing with that forever. Yeah. And. I think you and I are testament that it gets easier. I think you and I are like, yeah, I've got clarity. I've got a vision. I don't know if it's going to work. That feels uncomfortable, but there's a set. We've got to this place where there's a certainty when we have. The calling or the clarity or the desire, we're going to give it a red hot go anyway, doesn't mean we don't feel the discomfort of things when they fuck up or don't land the way we want to the first iteration, but there's a commitment that's been gathered over the years that it's like, Oh, this is just part of the process. This is just part of the, creation process, the refinement process. And it goes back to what I was saying about Seth Godin and Stephen Pressfield, who needs to be acknowledged here. It's your job is to create meaningful work in the world, but don't wait until you've got this perfect thing to put out there, get it out there. Now put the first iteration out. He'll say it like shipping the work, get it out there. And only then can you start to get better. It is 100. million percent part of the process. So to all of those people who create iteration one and it bombs brilliant, just it's all fucking information and take it as information. And yes, there's probably an invitation to shift your perspective and potentially shift your creation and offering, but so often it's around. the energy that comes through with what it is you're putting out into the world. Yeah. But either way, it's just information. It's just clarity. This works. This doesn't. I love this. I don't love this. More of this, less of that. People really resonate with this, but they're not resonating with that. This is landing. This is not landing. Oh, I figured out how to do this part of the business. And now I realize I have to figure out let's talk about the cards for a second. Oh my God. We made amazing deck of cards and our each, and our only goal, we hit the goal, easy peasy, our only goal was to create the deck, we ballpark, ballparked it, smashed it out the park because we not only created the deck, but we got it printed and we both sold a bunch of decks, and I don't know the situation exactly you're in, but now I've sold them all out and I'm like, Oh, now I need to get more decks in, but I'm okay. It's oh, now I have to figure out the process of I've never been in a product based business before versus everything I've ever done has been a service based business. But am I beating myself up about it? No. I'm like, Oh, there's something new for me to learn. Thank you for showing me there's something new to learn. Does that kind of answer your question? Yeah, I think so. I think it does. I want to talk about the like doing the work and then a bombing and then the decision to like what you do afterwards, because I think that's a really important discussion to have, and we could go down a whole tangent of how you choose to show up and sell your thing, but that we could just, that's a whole other podcast, but I think There has, there is something to be said in terms of if we keep coming back to this, what's the best thing and the worst thing. One of the best things that I have loved about my business is my business has actually fostered my own personal confidence, because I have had to get comfortable showing up and sharing what it is that I have to offer on the regular. You can't do that. Sorry, you can do that and be wildly uncomfortable every time you do it. But eventually it actually gets more comfortable and gets easier. And the amount of people that will say to me, Oh, you just show up in your stories and you just talk. And I'm like, yes. Yeah. But I remember back when we had that session with Jay years ago and we were shitting our pants about recording a video. I wasn't as much about the video about recording myself, but I have, I was nervous about selling a product and you really have to like. This is one of the things, it's like the best and the worst. You're responsible for your own, how much money you can make is like fucking limitless and it's wild. And to do that requires making yourself uncomfortable on the regular. Like for anyone who thinks that, like that selling a product, don't get me wrong. There are days when I'm like, I know that this is going to. Be the best thing that anyone's ever bought. And it's an easy sell, but it's also still, there's still it still makes me nervous, but you still have to show up. And I remember you saying to me early on You just need to remind people and remind people and remind people and remind people that you've got this thing like We see we're flooded with so much information But I think so many people will be like, oh I shared this post once three weeks ago But no one bought anything and so therefore it didn't work and no one wants what I have and I'm useless And so I'm just gonna stop. Okay. Maybe though, when you shared that post, six people were like, Oh fuck. Yeah, I really want that. I'm going to come back and look at that later. They never see it again because you never talk about it again. So they don't know that it even exists because their life has moved on and they've carried on with whatever they're doing and you haven't been able to show up and share what it is that you've got on the regular. And so then therefore they forget, but we turn it into a, okay. I'm shit. No one wants me. I'm going to quit. Like the best and the worst. If we're going back to that, that is one of the best things for me because it's really made me go, Oh, if I do a post, and we were just talking about this before we got on this call, our cult on this, recording. It's so interesting to see what people engage with and don't engage with on socials and what's working on one area and what's not working on another. But isn't it so good that instead of going, this is fucked. No one's like my thing. We are able to have a conversation like, isn't it interesting? Like you get into a completely different head space about, okay, that didn't work. No biggie. I'll just try it again. NBD. I'm literally wearing my NBD jumper. No big deal. Yeah. So I think that but that the practice of that then has filtered into my life, not just my business. And so now I don't know, I think you would be able to be a testament to how much evolution for me has, that has occurred because I now very much roll with. MVD vibes compared to what I was like five years ago. If something didn't work outside of my business, I'm talking as well. Like I, it would just send me into a total spin and I would, and I look, I still overthink, but it would send me to almost meltdown mode. Like I couldn't function and comprehend things, but the practice that I've had to instill into my business is now rubbed off onto my, the rest of the areas of my life. And I'm like, okay. That didn't go how I hoped it would. All good. Try again tomorrow. NBD. NBD. Yep. Yep. I think that there is, so I think nutshelling that is there's, You have to be willing to show up and share and weigh more than you think is necessary. Yep. Because there's like a river, the fastest river ever of social media and things happening out there. It's multi platforms and I don't even know what the figure is these days, but at the last I heard it was like, people need to have something like 21 interactions with you about a particular product before they even think about. Purchasing it. I just made that number up, but it could be higher than that. So there's that, I remember someone saying to me once, it's like social media is like this us when you put a post out, is then the right person if you imagine like social media like a stream which it is a stream of like Information and posts and stories and just this is flooding stream going straight past you One person would need to be standing right on the shore of the river at that exact time that your post went flying by and be in the receptive mode to take it in, receive it, compute it. That's exactly what I want to need. Let me address it right now. Most people are on social media because they are trying to distract themselves and they're scrolling while they're looking in places in between. And so they're not in a, I'm here like to, as an active shopper. Yeah. And so when you start to think about it like that, it's Honestly, bring in no big deal. NBD. Like my job is just to create energy and momentum about what I'm doing in the world. I'm going to show up and share, show up and share, show up and share. And how many times in any program I'd ever done and or mentorship, I'm like, our job is to show up, share what we know and believe to be true and make offers and just rinse and repeat the iteration of that and get more and more into your own knowing on your own power and your own identity. And that only comes from practice. And I do think that's one of the best things is when I think about the version of myself and the version of you now, and the way that we show up and share on socials and in our stories. And I'm rolling on Tik TOK now and I've got Tik TOK and I've got Instagram and Facebook's just fucking boring. So I just do nothing on there. I just do nothing on there. If I could just delete it. Anyway, and Campbell, cause Facebook might just do something to this podcast. Can they hear us? Probably. Anyway. I'm just making it up as I go along. And, but the, but our capacity to show up, I also remember that day with J Kimber and this was years ago, but we, for the rise events that I was running, I brought her in as a speaker. Cause I was like, I need to learn to show up. I can just see her sharing on videos. And there was just so much about. Getting comfortable with who you are. And that, I remember going home from that event and the challenge was to like, film a video. I never look back. I've done it every, not every day, but you do them a lot. I do them a lot. And they're fun, aren't they? They're so fun. Yeah. They are fun. And it's so much faster than typing out posts and, I should do more posting. But if I have a lot to say, and it's some, and I these days, no big deal. I'm like, I might not have. Done my hair. I don't put filters on anymore. I just show up as I am. Yeah. Because I also, oh my God, you remember when you used to put, I used to filter the sheet out of Yeah. All fun little squiggles and Yeah. About, yeah. I look back at the years now and I think, what were you hiding from or distracting people for or, yeah. Yeah, I, and I actually get a lot of feedback from people like if. If I do record story because I've been a bit like slack the last few months, but I just have I've been busy with other things But I and I show up as I am a lot of people be like, oh my god I missed seeing your face and people forget that every single business There's a person behind it and then people want to connect with you. So and we've talked about this I feel like hundreds of times a podcast. So we're just going around in circles, but showing up As you, and it doesn't, I would love to say show up as your most authentic self. Just show up how you can show up to start with. To be fair. People just want to know who it is they're interacting with. I feel like it's a lifeblood of your business. My whole business is Jen and Tonic and it's about me and the things that I create to make people feel better. So I definitely. Feel like that for me, but I, and I think other people they might be selling a product, but I know, for example, like even just with the baby and choosing things for my pregnancy, I'm like, who do I know? Who do I know? Not what business do I follow or whatever it's like, who do I know that offers something like this? Because that person I have a connection with and I want to support that person. And yes, their business is what they, offer that service through, but it's, I will much more, I'm much more likely to, yeah, interact with someone who I give a shit about. I'm aware of the time now, so this is what I want to do. Okay. I want to do give you a quick chance to blast out anything else that you think is best or worst what's it called? Rapid fire. Yeah. And then let's pull a dream maker card. Okay. Anything else? All right. Anything else that you haven't said that is. Two things that are the best things about being in business. I've made more money doing less in the last two years than I have ever in any job I've ever had. Boom, boom. Yeah, me too. And when I say doing less, I really want to, I work really fucking hard when I work. Yeah. But I also have a pretty crazy life. One of the funnest things that we have so often done is I'm like, we often, we're dry, we're driving as in I'm driving Jen somewhere else, but we're like having this conversation around money. And it's Get the calculator out, and you do it out. Cause I used to work in human resource management. I used to work at everybody's full time equivalent salary. And so I'd be like, all right, if you made that much money and we put that into and that's how much you got paid per hour. And we then figured out what you would be getting paid per hour. If you worked a 38 hour week and we're like, we're fucking bowlers. Honestly, we have made good, Oh, there's so much more growth that can happen. Oh, yeah. And honestly, like one of my biggest lessons at the moment is I'm like a good money maker, but I've got a lot to learn around money management. And I understand that they're different things, but yes, like definitely that is one of the best things I think also creating a life that feels like holidays way more of the time. And I want to say that, yeah, we, and we've already said it in the We create containers of time and go all in and it's containers of time. We just then create so much freedom around that. To think that I, every, I never stress about Sunday because Monday is my most relaxed day. And I love Sundays. I love Sundays because I love Mondays. Yeah. I love Mondays. I, it's really funny. I, Rapid fire. Okay, sorry. I won't go down that story. Can I say it quickly? No, just that I I feel like my weekends, I usually, Mondays and Tuesdays these days. Yeah. Even though I don't work on Saturdays and Sundays, that's usually when I'm filling my time up with all the other things. And my rest days are Mondays and Tuesdays. Tuesday's a big business day for me, but I make my rest days Mondays and Fridays. And that is like one of my most favorite things to do. Friday, I don't get to do it all the time, but if I can drop my kids to school and go and have a bestie coffee date, whether it's with Kristen or Heidi, I'm like, I am straight up. Living the dream. Yeah, I'll go have a coffee with a Bessie have a beach walk. I might get my calendars out I might send a couple of emails my organized any last minute essential things But I prepare myself for the spaciousness of the weekend and then I have the weekend completely offline and then I ease into it by having, I never ever book anything on a Monday. So I don't have that stress. And I've created a structure where I'm like, boom, nine 30 on a Tuesday. Dream stream is the first thing that I need to show up for. And that, I'm so proud of myself because last year I was doing it at six o'clock in the morning or six 30, two days a week. And I, let's be honest at about five 30 halfway through the year, I was like, This is a fucking shit idea. I could have told you that, but how many years you were doing 6am calls and I'm like, there were elements about it that I loved because the work was done. Do you know what I mean? Like I could do my work and I'd be like, boom, now I'm going to go for beach. We're going to have a coffee. But my, the way my body is asking me to care for it now, it's I don't actually want to set an alarm. I wake up with the sunlight. I spend the time with my kids in the morning, I'm not in a hurry, I take them to school, I get a coffee, I do my KD180 walk run sitch, and then I'm like, boom, 9. 30, I'm into business. And so I think, So creating the structure, having spaciousness anything else brilliant that you want to celebrate? I think celebrations. The other thing I want to say is that we get to like on the daily or every week be like, Oh, I can do this thing. I'm so proud of myself. And I don't think that happens as much. I didn't experience it as much. in any job that I ever had. I never really gave a shit about many jobs that I had. I cared, but I really wasn't that invested in it. One thing I just want to quickly go back on and say for anyone who's listening, who's Oh, good for you. You've made more money in two years. Like my business is at the beginning and it's not making money. I didn't make any money for years. It took a long time. And all of the things we've spoken about to get to where I am now, but I wholeheartedly believe that the reason I'm making the money I'm making is because I'm making the decisions to also take care of myself in and out of my business. So anyone who's Oh, Good for you, you dickhead. I don't think our listeners are like that, but sure. Oh no, but there might be people who are like, upset that their business isn't making that much money or they left a corporate job and they left a corporate job and they've, they're back to square one. Yeah. You will get there. You will get there. You just gotta keep showing up. And when I say with consistency, I don't mean any part of seven days. Oh, fuck no. It's about creating containers of time. And I'm actually going to use this as a moment to like massively give a shout out for Dreamstream because I think the way that I've crafted that and what we're doing is 60 minutes once a week at the beginning of the week, Tuesday, 9. 30. But it's an opportunity every single week to drop in and get back into grounded clarity, your own power clear focus and direction about the decisions you're making just for this week, shifting your energy, shifting perspective, getting into that ownership so that you can continue, like it revs you up. It gives you this energy and clarity and excitement. And then you go in. To the rest of the week and get the shit done. And then you can have your weekend and then come back in it again. It's like a regroup every single week. And I think one of the hardest things for people to succeed is not getting to a point where they create enough momentum for things to start to really flow because they taught themselves out of it. And that's why I think it's fucking genius doing Dreamstream. I think that. It's just such a beautiful opportunity to catch yourself potentially dipping out and getting back in the game and getting back in the arena. I'm conscious of, I know we've got to stop, but I think what this is one of the things if we were continuing that I wanted to bring up is one of the best and the worst things is I think of Dreamstream as like my weekly team meeting because otherwise I don't have that check in with, and even though they're not my, work team. They are my team. They're my dream team's dream team because that you in business, when you're working for yourself, one of the best things and one of the worst things it's like you work for yourself. So it's amazing. But I really missed the connection because I have always worked in customer service or in roles where people, there's a lot of people around and it can be really isolating. But I, One of the best things is because you can join these amazing programs and then you get support. But I think of my dream stream calls when I can get onto, and sometimes I can't show up on video and I will check in while I'm painting. I literally just have you in my ears, but it's like a accountability check in is, I think of them as my like, I think of them as like, all right, everyone, imagine if we were sitting in an organization together and it's like in an idea where, exactly, has everyone gone this way? What's coming up for you? What are the projects you've got going on? And It has, it really does help keep the momentum going. It really does. Yeah. Yeah. So join the jam, draw. Can't say it. You say join the dream stream. Honestly, I just think he is it's only 11 bucks, right? It's 11. I keep having more than that on coffee these days. I know it's like coffee and a muffin once a week is a very cheap muffin. Yeah. Oh, okay. Let's just call it a smoothie a week. Yep. It's a smoothie a week. And I, what I actually know to be true is it changes the trajectory, direction, momentum of a business because it's boom, I know where I'm going. Boom. I know where I'm going. Boom. I know where I'm going. And for those people who are unsure because they might not run their own business. I, even though I'm about to put the brakes on my business, it doesn't mean I'm going to stop going to Dreamstream because it will help me. keep my check ins with myself for the next however long. I might take a break once I've pushed this baby out, but I know that even for my personal life, it's beneficial. So if you're like, Oh, I don't it won't be for me because I don't run my own business. You don't have to run your own business to be. Oh, and honestly, if you're remotely curious, should I do Dreamstream? Just send me a DM. It'll, as long as it's midweek, I'll talk to you. Yeah. If it's on the weekend, I'll just check in. Yeah. After the weekend kind of thing. But the other thing about it is that it's literally 11. And if you're like, not for me, you just cancel it. There's no lock in. I, for years I have been doing, year long, six months, blah, blah, blah, long term programs. It's not what's aligned for me right now. I'm trying to write a book. I'm trying to recreate a whole new way of doing my business on life. I'm going to get my cards. I want to be in and the people who don't not. Yeah. And it's bringing in a beautiful crew of people who are like, I'm so here for it. And they want to be having this conversation around energy and frequency and ownership and clarity and excitement about where they're going. No, that was a good old chat about dream stream. Yeah. So what are these cards? All right. So I just thought, Oh, just want to pull a card each for us at the end of, This one just flew out. Ooh, this one's for you. Do only what is essential. Yeah, I'm trying. I'm trying. I have two businessy things over the next two and a half days to complete. And then the only thing that's essential is taking care of myself, which is really important. It's exciting. Yeah. It is exciting. And I think, for anyone listening, do what is essential or do only what is essential. Honestly, if you spend time with me and if it's in Dreamstream or any other mentorship, I am obsessed with essentialism. I'm straight up obsessed with getting to the heart of what is essential for you and creating a business, a life, a week, a day that is honoring of what's essential for you. And. The more that we have these conversations, there's always an opportunity to be like, what can I actually let go of here? What is not actually essential here? And we might be talking about a big list in your business. And it might also be you and me sitting here having a conversation and this is what's most essential right now. So I, it could also be an invitation to let go of thoughts in your mind and things in your head that are getting in the way of bring it in. You are, this is an invitation to get grounded. What is essential in this moment? What is essential in this day? Is it time? Are you here with your, are you listening to this? And it's time to be here with your kids. Then create a container of time and go and be with the kids. Yeah. Yeah. One of the biggest tricks or hacks I taught myself as well is because I spent a lot of time overthinking it in my head. That if something was getting to me or like a thought popped in and I'm trying to get some shit done and then a thought comes in that was just completely, I don't know, thinking about something that happened to me in year seven with a, whatever. I literally will say to myself, thank you so much for making yourself known. Can you come back a little later? I've got to get some work done. Yeah. I'm not, I want to acknowledge that there is this thought that really wants to be thought about and I'm trying to be productive. So not right now. Yep. And it might have to take a few times, but not right now. Not right now. And it helps like even if you're not trying to work and I might be driving and a real out of the blue sad thought comes in, I'm like, not right now. It can come back later. Yeah. Like I see you. Not right now. Yeah. And it really, it's a, I think that's also, it's such a good, that's a good tip for people who are, when they're in creative mode. And we've talked a lot about creating containers of time and doing the work. And when you're like 45 minute timer and busting out some stuff put your phone on silent, turn off all your apps, close down everything, all the tabs on your computer and do the thing you say you're going to do. And even if your husband walks in the door, you can be like, not right now. Yeah. Like right now, I'll talk to you at the end of this 45 minutes or whatever it is, but you start to create the boundaries for what it is that you're doing. And no man, those boundaries don't need to make sense to other people. If you have a vision to bring into reality, you're going to have to create a container of time at some point in time, but that, so it's helpful to be like, I know what's essential right now. So I'm going to get into it. And it brings an energy, everything is energy. And if you have this. Boom excited energy momentum towards what you're creating because you're like I know what's essential and this is now getting time and energy You not get better outcomes from it. Yeah, so there's that part of it and also quickly is When the shit thoughts come in, which they always fucking do at some point in time, when you're trying to do the work or outside of trying to do the work, it's actually that thought isn't helping me. Not essential right now. Yeah. So it's not ignoring the truth of what you're experiencing, but you get to I'll process you in 45 minutes. Yeah. Yeah. I'm committed. Don't jump the queue. There's a queue and you're not at the front of it. And yeah, I think it's a really good practice. Cause also I really am conscious that like in my business, I really encourage people as do you to really tune into in any given moment how it is that they're feeling. So I really, I don't want to say that I don't acknowledge when the feels come through, but if I'm like about to start my tax, I'm like, Oh. Do you know what I've just thought of? I didn't do that social media post from three weeks ago. It's hang on, not right now. Not essential right now. Not right now. Yeah, not essential right now. I pulled accidental two cards. So do you want to read them? Sure. So the first one is get back in the stream and remember that you are here to create change for others, which I think fits in with that. Not right now. It's just plug back in. Like anytime you feel like you've been taken out of production. projection out of trajectory, you get to choose to plug yourself back in. You get back in the stream. Yeah. The stream is like another word for getting in the zone, getting in the flow. And for me also, that's a a reminder of why, I created that card before I created the dream stream, which is what gets me so excited about creativity. Just create something because it will lead to something else. But now we have a thing called, I was calling it the stream and Jen's. And I've got the dream maker cards. And remember we painted a mirror and you're like dream stream. I'm like, boom, I'm five. That's it just comes together. Anyway, my point around this is get back in the stream and remember that you're here to create change for others. That's what we do every single week. It's like we plug back in or jump back into the flow, to the stream of this energy and momentum and remember who we are and remember what we were creating. And that is such a different state in which to create from. Yeah. Then the last card is perfect because it fits into this and it's dream big. Get real about what you really want and then get on with creating it. Boom. Perfect. Done. Thank you so much. It's been CBGB. It has. It's been a while and next time there'll be another human. Do we have to wait? Do we have to wait that long? Of course. A month isn't a very long time. It's only been close to a year. Yeah, maybe we can podcast with a little baby. Okay. Yeah. That would be fun. Hopefully next time without the cat. Amazing. Thank you so much, Jen. Jen, thank you for your time. Thank you everyone for being here and listening. Love you so much, Jen. I love you, Jen, so much. Also appreciate you listeners. And biggest takeaway from this chat. Oh gosh. Now you've put me on the spot. I think probably it's always a reminder of, oh, I'm pregnant. Buddy capable of some pretty cool things. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Boom. Yeah. Peace out everybody.